Satsang and the pre/trans fallacy.

I went along with my film crew to a Satsang the other night; below I’ve  posted a video that shows a small part of it (I’m the one reading the words as it’s all pretty new to me). There is a bit of confusion and misinterpretation about what Satsang is in the mainstream, which I interpret as the pre/trans fallacy, so here goes a bit of a blog pitching some philosophy to clarify.

Ken Wilber, a leading American philosopher who has written extensively about many subjects, human development being one of them, coined the phrase “pre/trans fallacy.” Ken Wilber purports that many claims about non-rational states make a mistake he calls the pre/trans fallacy. According to Wilber, the non-rational stages of consciousness (what Wilber calls “pre-rational” and “trans-rational” stages) can be easily confused with one another. I have to agree that the pre/trans fallacy is one of the hardest things to get your head around – especially when looking at it from a rational level (which can be generalized to include the mainstream western mind).

Check out the video below, which is a chant from this May 2010 Satsang that I attended – if you’re on my list you will get an email when the whole thing is online (it’ll be free for members and makes for another consciousness expanding tool you can add to your box). It’s about 90 minutes and includes meditation, call and response/devotional chants and some philosophy.

I had never done a Satsang until Ram – the guy playing the harmonium and leading it -  set the yoga center up in town here in 2008.  (Yeap, that is 10 plus years for me without knowing about this vital aspect of yoga!)  Now that I have a better understanding of developmental psychology and growth I get the whys and the benefits that it can provide.

Ok, so “non-rational” states… what are they?  To understand this you need to understand about Growth as it relates to the human experience. Here is a video post on Yoga and Growth which gives a part of the picture.
Eastern and Western Developmental growth models all tend to look at growth as something that happens by and through “stages.” Whether growth be viewed through the lens of the Chakras, the Koshas (Annamaya kosha, Pranamaya kosha, Manamaya kosha, Vijnanamaya kosha, Anandamaya kosha )or the western developmental growth models, for example, Jean Gebser (who looks at growth through the archaic, magic, mythical and mental structures, and into the integral stage) and many, many others. Here’s a chart of many philosophers mapping lines of development through levels, or stages, of consciousness that will give you an idea.

Levels of Growth

Levels of Growth

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About Al Hall

Al has been a student of Yoga for the best part of 2 decades. Loves to surf, play beach volley ball and explore the deeper nature of reality. Fancies himself as a bit of a philosopher. Loves to make videos and is the founder of the Yoga.org.nz site.

28 Responses to Satsang and the pre/trans fallacy.

  1. Sorry Dear I can not see abv satsang yuga film because its not automatically open and see white box on my display.

    Thanks
    Devraj

  2. I like Satsang for the abandon into harmony.

  3. This very nice video I have song and I want to share with U It is bajo radhey Govind.
    Its very nice song when the group sing this song.

    Thank` regards
    Lokesh

  4. Thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!

  5. Thanks!I like it…

  6. The music was very pleasant and soothing. It bring calmness. Thanks for those who made out this video. Only problem is it could not be played without any break.

    Regards
    Mahendran

  7. Ok that music was beautiful, I was singing along and I didn’t even know the words. I didn’t understand everything you were saying, I think the concept is a little over my head at the moment but I will be exploring this more. Thank you!

  8. I like this clip. Could you send the lyrics of the song, please? And may be the translation of the foreign words?
    Best regards,
    Galina

  9. This article is very good,i learn a lot from it.But i can’t open the video,what a pity.I haven’t open the videos even for one time.I look forward to watching them one day.

    • Yes unfortunately You-tube is blocked in China . Soon we will be serving all of our own videos so you will be able to see them all I hope.

      Namaste
      Al

  10. very beautiful and heartfull satsang, brought me back to high sharing moments in india
    and it does work straight away again listening to those, thank you Al !
    (have to admit I gave up in your explanations …) Om shanti

  11. the music was very nice and calmness.could you please send the lyrics of the song.
    thanks for sharing.

    best regards
    asoka

  12. Thanks for your satsang! I remember my teacher-studies in La Gendronniere in France in 1992 (Sivananda)
    Namaste Johanna

  13. Namaste,
    Sorry I can’t see abv satsang yuga film because its not automatically open and see white box on my display.
    Thanks
    Meenakshi Arora

  14. I like Satsang very much, I only know about it recent year. When i sing with my friends, my heart is touching, my mind is empty and calm, thanks for sharing. Namaste.

  15. ” Written by Devraj about 1 day ago.

    Sorry Dear I can not see abv satsang yuga film because its not automatically open and see white box on my display.”

    Try to watch it on
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBHmsm6iTSo&feature=player_embedded#at=14

    If you can’t see this or any other video on youtube, you may have to install or update your Adobe Flashplayer. http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

    • I am afraid that if you are on a slow connection that you will have challenges with this . Also it may be Censored in your country via the You Tube IP address. I am working on a fix but it is still 2 months away at least.

      Namaste

  16. For those who were interested in the lyrics:

    Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki
    Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki

    He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama
    He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama He Rama

    He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna
    He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna He Krishna

    He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus
    He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus He Jesus

    He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha
    He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha He Buddha

    Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki
    Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki Bansuri Bansuri Bansuri Shyam Ki

    with love – karthik

  17. I am very interested in satsang. Looking for satsang group in my area of western North Carolina. I look forward to seeing the 90 minutes.

  18. Nice to see the vedeo.Surely music transcends the limits of languages or words. Its vibrations can go deep in to the self, making one calm. For such a group,I feel ,time has come to transcend the “namas and rupas”(forms and names).There are powerful neutral bhajans which can elevate yourselves to higher realms. The harmonium is crossing the serenity of the vocal level and it projects seperately. If the group tries out an eastern tamborine with the singing ,it will create a better mystical feel.
    I would love to see what is there in the 90 minutes vedeo.

  19. Thank you Al, I love to see more..
    Good day!

  20. very very outstanding

  21. Olá
    Vi seu vídeo de Satsang, está ótimo…os mantras transmitem muita harmonia.
    Quero que me envie tudo relacionado ao Yoga e ao seu trabalho.

    Agradeço e uma ótima semana…

    Nide

  22. Hello ALL, thank you….. very inspiring and soothing melody, the levels of growth I will have to study in depth, before I can commment.
    Namaste from

    Katarina……………

  23. The body language express supremacy of ATMAN VALUABLE to ONENESS against breaking society/friendship. Actually inspirating.

  24. When I was living at the Sivananda ashram in upstate NY, USA I attended satsang every morning and evening, and I loved it!

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